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Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:45 am PostPost subject: SLS - Race after R7 - Rockstar Revolt
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So.... its been discussed behind the scenes for some time now, and they will run a taster after the final round (Round 7).

Format for this race.

    Qualifying
    12lap race


First past the line race will be based on Classes... so you can win your class.

There will also be a handicap based overall winner, where any car can be classed a winner if it laps at a constant / consistent pace near the class winning SLS times.

Requirements

    Normal circuit racing safety. Cage/fire sys/cuts offs.
    ARDS / Race B licence - KH will offer a discount.



Key safety requirements for the cars:

- Roll cage
- Fire Extinguisher (doesn't need to be plumbed in, large hand held is fine),
- External cut-off for electrics
- In-date harnesses
- Recovery points front and rear 60mm loop (towing eyes)
- IF Glass headlights - taped over
- Rear Rain light
- Footwear must be fire resistant,
- gloves suit and helmet as per SLS
- FHR (HANS)

Happy to answer any questions - scrutineer@superlapscotland.co.uk; rory@superlapscotland.co.uk

Questions? Bound to be lots


From KMSC

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Attention all SLS'ers! Ever fancied having a race? Well we are considering hosting our first race for SLS'ers who have an ARDS Race Licence at the final round on September 17th. It is only open to SLS'ers and is based on the same SLS class structure and will also an added twist to give the opportunity anyone from any class to win the Rockstar Revolt Trophy. A nominal additional entry fee of 75 will give you a qualifying session and a 12 lap race, after the SLS finals are completed. If you fancy the thrill of racing against fellow SLS'ers, then chat to Stuart over this weekend or contact Rory with your interest next week.

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Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:06 am PostPost subject:
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interesting Smile
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:37 pm PostPost subject:
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Really look forward to this.
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The handicap system isnt set in stone yet, but here is the method I proposed... please pick holes in it, as there may be issues! If you have alternative ideas on how to hadicap the faster cars to even it up over 12laps (has to be a time reduction at end of race... cant remove a wheel or blindfold the driver!!)... lets hear them.

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Use the following bench marks, or something similar. You cant use real world times set by SLS drivers as there are some classes performing better than others.

PRO - 53
A - 54 (1 sec a lap handicap)
B - 55 (2 sec a lap handicap)
C - 56 (3 sec a lap handicap)
D - 57 (4 sec a lap handicap)
E - 59 (6 sec a lap handicap)
F - 61 (8 sec a lap handicap)

I think running over 10-15 laps would be more inviting to start with. There may be fuel capacity issues to deal with as cars will be (should be) running small capacity for SLS.

So, worked example with 10 lap race.

Start - On grid in order of qualifying, so likely a Pro/A/B car up the front and and F at the back = Safest way to start a race like this.

First past the line on 10th lap = RACE END

Times are then worked backwards from the 1st place car, with handicaps applied.

So

Driver 1 finishes the race (Pro) with a race time of 560 seconds for 10laps
Diver X finishes the race (E) with a race time of 590 seconds for 10 laps (not lapped) - his time to be deducted is 60sec (6s per lap x 10laps) - agg. time 530s so he beats the person (PRO) that finished first.
Driver Y finishes the race (F) with a race time of 576 seconds for 9 laps (lapped once) - his time to be deducted is 72s (8s per lap x 9 laps) but he requires a full lap to be added (use 61s) - that gives him 565s and would NET him 3rd in this example.

For it to work as designed you have to set the class times as expected times. You cant give a lower class a smaller laptime because the drivers arent as quick in the class above.

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Whats the normal price for doing ARDS?. Have never looked into it before
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ooof, I'm sure it was ~240 when I did mine. Will go google...

I sorted a 'group buy' of around 10 and got a discount through KH though.
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:11 pm PostPost subject:
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Also might be an idea to speak to KH about just doing the paperwork, as you have documented competition experience = I'm not saying its possible, but I've heard rumours of other circuits doing this in the past for a reduced price

Just checked emails - I was 275 with discount (full test). Must be over 300 now
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sorry, didn't think that info would be advertised for some reason. I did a google its 325 on the website.
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from KH site

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Knockhill has been appointed as the sole venue in Scotland to administer the ARDS assessment course which must be completed before applying for your competition licence. To start car racing it is relatively easy but there are procedures to follow. You can also obtain a Starter Pack from Knockhill (01383 723337) or direct from the MSA. Study the contents, watch the DVD then go for a medical. After your medical, phone Knockhill and book a date for your ARDS Test (total cost including pack and 1st years license is 325). This is a theory and a practical test, which, one passed, you get your race licence for competing at Club level.


So there is the starting price... haggle away Very Happy

Note the bold bit about the starter pack.... if you book direct via KH its included. No need to buy the pack from MSA for 100 then book with KH
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:32 pm PostPost subject:
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All depends on the no of entries!

2 races with Pro, A & B & maybe C

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C,D,E,F?


AK wrote:
The handicap system isnt set in stone yet, but here is the method I proposed... please pick holes in it, as there may be issues! If you have alternative ideas on how to hadicap the faster cars to even it up over 12laps (has to be a time reduction at end of race... cant remove a wheel or blindfold the driver!!)... lets hear them.

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Use the following bench marks, or something similar. You cant use real world times set by SLS drivers as there are some classes performing better than others.

PRO - 53
A - 54 (1 sec a lap handicap)
B - 55 (2 sec a lap handicap)
C - 56 (3 sec a lap handicap)
D - 57 (4 sec a lap handicap)
E - 59 (6 sec a lap handicap)
F - 61 (8 sec a lap handicap)

I think running over 10-15 laps would be more inviting to start with. There may be fuel capacity issues to deal with as cars will be (should be) running small capacity for SLS.

So, worked example with 10 lap race.

Start - On grid in order of qualifying, so likely a Pro/A/B car up the front and and F at the back = Safest way to start a race like this.

First past the line on 10th lap = RACE END

Times are then worked backwards from the 1st place car, with handicaps applied.

So

Driver 1 finishes the race (Pro) with a race time of 560 seconds for 10laps
Diver X finishes the race (E) with a race time of 590 seconds for 10 laps (not lapped) - his time to be deducted is 60sec (6s per lap x 10laps) - agg. time 530s so he beats the person (PRO) that finished first.
Driver Y finishes the race (F) with a race time of 576 seconds for 9 laps (lapped once) - his time to be deducted is 72s (8s per lap x 9 laps) but he requires a full lap to be added (use 61s) - that gives him 565s and would NET him 3rd in this example.

For it to work as designed you have to set the class times as expected times. You cant give a lower class a smaller laptime because the drivers arent as quick in the class above.

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Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:45 pm PostPost subject:
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Lowell - there simply wont be the numbers for that to happen. Not in a one off taster like this anyway (to gauge interest and get feedback). Not sure how you could work the 'King of The Hill' aspect into that either... which is the potential different approach compared to the likes of Sports and Saloons


The speed / car differences will be no greater than SMRC Sports and Saloons - so it can work - also wont have the issue of slicks in among treads. Simple solution for taster race is 1a/b/c - as per SLS.


I'd think this race would have around 15 cars first time out.... so not a massive grid
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Reckon there will be a few of us from csoc looking to book ards. Might be worth gathering interest on here with numbers before we haggle lol
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I called earlier today, they have slots Wed and Friday this week... I am there Monday anyway testing the car..

I bought my car to race and this would be a great toe in the water!
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Exactly - haggle to get the price down... its not like you need to do the ARDS yearly, its a one time expense.

Lowell - Thats the plan... another step towards racing, with a bunch of folk you know (SLS competitors).

I'm in either way... and may use the Mini (if not much interest from upper classes) to try and chase down a few Clios Very Happy
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Really, really hope I can make this one!
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